Emulator inside of emulator - INCEPTIONATOR
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Take a modern OS, like I dunno - Windows or Linux - and put an emulator of older and different OS there.. and then put another emulator to that OS. How deep can you go?

eg. Windows 11 > Amiga > MacIntosh > Some 8 bit system ..

Is this even possible?

CAN WE BREAK THE SIMULATION?
 
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We must go deeper
my hypothesis of a emulation chain

Operating systems:
Linux distro (QEMU) > Windows 11/10 (Hyper-V) > Windows 7 (Windows Virtual PC) > Windows XP > Windows 95 > Nesticle or 8 bit system

Console emulators:
OS > Yuzu/Ryujinx > PPSSPP > N64 emu > GBA emu > NES emu > Intellivison emu
OS > Xemu > XDSL > N64 emu > GBA emu > Genesis emu > NES emu > Intellivision emu

it can be possible but the problem can come that emulation is CPU intense or in the case of OS emulation RAM/Storage limited.
you also need to be experience in the older OS or target System you are tackling with not to mention each host OS can be limited than actual hardware in some way.
unless you are bored or want to kill some time try it out.
 
JazzHands said:
Take a modern OS, like I dunno - Windows or Linux - and put an emulator of older and different OS there.. and then put another emulator to that OS. How deep can you go?

eg. Windows 11 > Amiga > MacIntosh > Some 8 bit system ..

Is this even possible?

CAN WE BREAK THE SIMULATION?
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It's possible, it's called nested virtualization. I'm not too sure why it's a thing at all though.
 
I been thinking about some generational digital inception, eg. 64bit > 32bit > 16bit > 8bit.

64 bit would be Linux, the OG serverboy with big ass GPU
32 bit could be Windows 95/XP, since it has variety of emulators. CPUwise this could be 486/586.
16 bit gets narrower, get got Commodore Amiga 500, Atari ST or MacIntosh. Its all Motorola 68000.
8 bit has more options, eg. Spectrums C64's Sinclairs etc, or even some gaming platforms such as NES. Preferably Z80 as CPU.

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you also need to be experience in the older OS or target System you are tackling with not to mention each host OS can be limited than actual hardware in some way.
unless you are bored or want to kill some time try it out.
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That would be, the straight forward route with less issues, something like Windows 11 > Windows XP > Windows 3 > perhaps Atari 2600
 
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I been thinking about some generational digital inception, eg. 64bit > 32bit > 16bit > 8bit.
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I would agree that a straight forward route is better than stress testing a 32 bit OS on 32 bit or a 16 bit on another 16 bit even though emulation for these do exist but far from ideal (but maybe practical just 4 lulz)

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I would agree that a straight forward route is better than stress testing a 32 bit OS on 32 bit or a 16 bit on another 16 bit even though emulation for these do exist but far from ideal (but maybe practical just 4 lulz)
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As a old dirty man, I spend my early days on Amiga platform; there was a lot of talk that classic Mac OS emulator for Amiga could run the Mac stuff faster than the Mac on 68k cpu itself. So these two kinda do some accumulation there, as the Amiga part kinda goes to sleep. The real pain comes to configure AmigaOs and MacOs to run optimized versions, that ancient knowledge is for retro wizards.

Then again I could entrap via email some hardcore retro computer youtuber to do "The Emulation Challenge" and see my long lost dream to come reality and then break the reality as we know it.
 
JazzHands said:
As a old dirty man, I spend my early days on Amiga platform; there was a lot of talk that classic Mac OS emulator for Amiga could run the Mac stuff faster than the Mac on 68k cpu itself. So these two kinda do some accumulation there, as the Amiga part kinda goes to sleep. The real pain comes to configure AmigaOs and MacOs to run optimized versions, that ancient knowledge is for retro wizards.

Then again I could entrap via email some hardcore retro computer youtuber to do "The Emulation Challenge" and see my long lost dream to come reality and then break the reality as we know it.
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the first one sounds like a Compatibility layer or Hypervisor but on a 90s OS/Machine (but in a Emulation box). (In this case for the Amiga)

the second one sounds as challenging as the youtube video "running Windows 7 on a Pentium 1" as even with 90s HLE emulation you need a coding Wizard. That you code tape some functioning "code" just for a tech challenge the equivalent of a million dollar math question "can we emulation stack every popular OS on top of each-other?". Probably some autism in the demo-scene or a die hard Amiga/Classic MAC or 90s tech fan ever dream of.
 
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Probably some autism in the demo-scene or a die hard Amiga/Classic MAC or 90s tech fan ever dream of.
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This is my eternal dream, I just want to see it happen even if the framerate is one frame per month.

Kinda offtopic, but in the Matrix 1999 they had working computers in the simulation, so the computer overlords had their shit figured out when it comes to computers inside of computers. This was huge missed opportunity in the Matrix 4 when the filmakers just updated everything to represent this modern day.
 

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