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Maybe it's the adapter? It's a regular transcend CF adapter

The card I got is a regular 1066x UDMA 7 card

Probably even slower then

So 5MB per second.

The XV's SCSI connector looks like a DB25. You'd be limited to narrow SCSI.

It's probably the PCMCIA interface then

I thought it was my CF card but I got nearly the fastest card I could find (I know they're still very slow though)

The limiting factor is probably going to be the SCSI interface on the XV

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SCSI can be a PITA

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friend of mine uses a SCSI to USB interface instead of a CD drive but I haven't asked him if it's any faster

anon said:

I checked the manual. It only specifies that it must be 70ns or faster. It uses 72-pin SIMMs. Also 8 and 32 MB SIMMs don't work on non-Ultra E4s. The memory ICs on my SIMMs are KM41C16000BK-6.

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That's odd, I can't think of a good reason why 8 and 32 wouldn't work. I've looked up some RAM for the E4 specifically and 128mb are relatively cheap these days

SCSI can be a PITA

You're probably better off with the PCMCIA interface.

It's the only modern sampler that can import S700 CDs (after converting them) after the XV-5080 (which can read them natively but it still uses the same kind of RAM and you'd have to load them through a CD drive connected via SCSI and I'm not sure if that would be any faster than the PCMCIA interface on the XR)

I checked the manual. It only specifies that it must be 70ns or faster. It uses 72-pin SIMMs. Also 8 and 32 MB SIMMs don't work on non-Ultra E4s. The memory ICs on my SIMMs are KM41C16000BK-6.

Xeraser said:

From the few tests I performed I was able to find out that you can't (or at least I didn't figure it out) import stuff to specific user patches, it's first in first out

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(when importing patches that is, I suspect you need a librarian if you don't want to lose your mind)

I also went through a small odyssey just to get the damn Roland sample CD converter to work

From the few tests I performed I was able to find out that you can't (or at least I didn't figure it out) import stuff to specific user patches, it's first in first out

More like PCMCIA to CF

Well I say CF

My hunch is that the CF interface is the bottleneck but I can't be too sure

I'm not sure if it's due to the PC133 ram or because it has to load the samples from a CF card

Navigating it is a pain when it comes to doing anything with samples and the load times even with 512mb are excruciatingly slow

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A full gigabyte? I did consider a Fantom-XR at one point. How well does it work as a sampler (loading and modifying samples/patches, etc.)?

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it depends honestly

I can't imagine how slow it'd be even when compared to pc133

128mb would've costed an absolute fortune back then

I think those might be even older
SIMMs

I did take a couple of pics of the inside the first time I opened it up. I could check those.

Don't know if the Ultras use different memory.

It's an E4X

anon said:

I'm not sure what the E4 uses, but loading a 128MB bank does take some time. I do think the limiting factor in my case is the ZuluSCSI, however. But a 64MB bank shouldn't take that long.

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not sure honestly, probably whatever was available in 1994 if it's the original E4

A full gigabyte? I did consider a Fantom-XR at one point. How well does it work as a sampler (loading and modifying samples/patches, etc.)?

I'm not sure what the E4 uses, but loading a 128MB bank does take some time. I do think the limiting factor in my case is the ZuluSCSI, however. But a 64MB bank shouldn't take that long.

Thankfully I didn't throw the original 512mb stick away

Xeraser said:

With Rolands most of the time the real limit is twice what they specify as the max

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though after getting 1024mb to work in my Fantom-XR i THINK they specified 512mb max just because loading any more than that will make you want to tear your hair out

But yeah, PC133 is nightmarishly slow

With Rolands most of the time the real limit is twice what they specify as the max

Not sure if that's the actual limit honestly

Xeraser said:

Not sure what kind of RAM the old ones use but if it's the same PC133 that the Fantom -X uses then dear god I'm glad I don't have to use it (yet)

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Is it supposed to be particularly slow? From what I've read, the original MOTIFs top out at 64MB of sample RAM. Even if you want to fill it up, it shouldn't take too long to write 64MB.

Xeraser said:

sometimes instead of saving them as a single file people choose to split a library in two (preset patches and the file(s) with the actual waveforms) so maybe that's what you ran into

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You mean in separate waveform and voice files instead of "all" files? That makes sense. On E-MUs the only files are banks, but on the E4 you can browse banks and load individual patches or samples.

Not sure what kind of RAM the old ones use but if it's the same PC133 that the Fantom
-X uses then dear god I'm glad I don't have to use it (yet)

It's usually so that you can just load the samples in RAM and keep them there if you don't need them immediately and keep some free banks for other presets, it's convenient on older MOTIFs that use conventional RAM but very annoying on the XF but then again you only have to do it once

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The file size is part of what clued me in. It's good to know that the dummy data is normal, however.

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sometimes instead of saving them as a single file people choose to split a library in two (preset patches and the file(s) with the actual waveforms) so maybe that's what you ran into

The file size is part of what clued me in. It's good to know that the dummy data is normal, however.

although you'll only find some pianos in the ES/Classic ones iirc

If you want to extract the samples from the few libraries that have them (you can tell which have samples just by looking at the filesize) grab a copy of Awave Studio from somewhere like Audioz

I can't remember what the last sampler-only keyboard/workstation was tbh

anon said:

That would explain it. I thought the MOTIF keyboards functioned more like normal samplers, but I guess they also have built-in samples. I should probably give the manual a good reading.

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no they're ROMplers just like its contemporaries

Xeraser said:

as far as I know 90% of the ES/Classic files are just presets

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That would explain it. I thought the MOTIF keyboards functioned more like normal samplers, but I guess they also have built-in samples. I should probably give the manual a good reading.

Insomnia gang rise up

I was supposed to do shit but ended up napping instead and didn't even sleep for a single hour lmao